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T O P I C R E V I E WD for DefiantI don't get along with this woman. She was intensely ambitious, had a very strong sense of authority, even aggressive to some extent.Even in the face of death threat from a client, she wouldn't move a fraction of an inch. While another lady colleague would have been very, very frightened.Now here comes the "ridiculous" element- I'm trying to guess her ASC by observing her appearance and her initial, general impression on people who are not particularly familiar with her.Her first impression on others- always tough, hard to approach, suspicion and some kind of hostility in her eyes, calm, poised, serious, stern...even tougher than her male colleagues and her male supervisors!Her physique and appearance- she's not what most people would call a "beautiful woman"...her consistent dressing style, however, makes her stand out as unique when compared to her female counterparts. She always wears suits- blouse and skirts. Almost never pants. No dresses either, unlike most of her female colleagues. Moderate heels (lately she has switched to sandals and flat-based shoes for some reason)- almost never trainers, and definitely never boots. So the above description makes her look more "feminine", along with her undyed, long straight hair.Round and wide face. The look of her eyes makes you have to take her seriously- which means no one is allowed to not take her seriously. Her waistline was not thin. She used to be medium-sized, just not slender/slim or trim, that's all. Her height is about 1.55m, I guess. But I just saw her yesterday; I saw her fat, fat, fat body- loads of excessive weight on her belly, her waist, her hips and her thighs. It didn't look that she was knocked up.And she was still her conceited, aggressive self. No other fellow professional is like her, regarding lack of kindness, lack of patience, driven by ambitions, crave for power, sense of authority, and sternness plus aggression. While counterattack is firmly discouraged, she uses counterattack very often, and goes to the extent of being as inhumane as attempting to cause 0% reaction from the given client and 0% reaction from herself!Anyway, supposedly she has Scorpio ASC, I'd like to know:What are the main characteristics of Scorpio ASC? So I can find out about the person's weaknesses.Okay- what might be the weaknesses of a woman with a Scorpio ascendant? What might be her fears considering her Scorpio ASC?At last, how can I deal with this power-craving, ambitious, unkind, aggressive, snobbish and cruel woman whose ASC, I presume, is Scorpio?Anybody please help?------------------May not be able to get back to you...appreciate your say nevertheless...DPeri quote:how can I deal with this power-craving, ambitious, unkind, aggressive, snobbish and cruel woman?You could not change or soften her so I guess the best solution is not to deal with her at all. Is it possible?sue gTryng smiling at her and not getting into power struggles or headgamesMaybe?Rather than intellectualise things (your Aquarius placements) think of her as a human being struggling like the rest of us....she may be hurting or covering up pain with her fierceness?Or alternatively as Peri suggests, dont deal with her. I believe some people just arent meant to get along.I liked the way you admitted to REALLY needing help....a pity more cant!!! Tis a sign of humillity, as is apologising I also like the way you ask for help/advice. Some people only seem to give it and never ask back....its a good thing to ask, it shows we are willing to grow!Good luck!D for DefiantSue G, you said: quote:she may be hurting or covering up pain with her fierceness?Exactly.------------------May not be able to get back to you...appreciate your say nevertheless...DD for DefiantThis woman I'm discussing, talked to a cognitively impaired old man like this:"Didn't I tell you in the class that NEVER let people who do not work here come in? We have taught you about this at class before. Didn't I tell you..."And she was firing her questions at this friendly, seemingly harmless, and congitive functions-challenging old man like it was an official interrogation. She coldly, and just coldly, asked this old man all those questions. Had it been one of her co-workers, it would very likely to turn out a whole lot different- most likely, they would comfort him and kindly instruct him to follow the rules in the simplest terms possible, because most of the people these specialists take care of suffer from cognitive deficits. The way she asked that old man, who looked not so aware of what he had done/was doing/should do and also looked so helpless to me- was very, very cruel. She should have comforted him, not doing what she did to him.Also, about her being overweight and her figure- as far as I can remember, she used to be quite a bit thinner than she is now. I don't know why she has become so overweight- no offense for those who suffer from weight problems- but seeing her sitting with a desk covering her body, I didn't notice that she had put on so much weight. Seeing her standing in front of me made a difference, and she looked horrible.If I simply cannot avoid her, what should I do? Please...any advice would be appreciated- at least I know now that I should do my best to avoid her! ------------------May not be able to get back to you...appreciate your say nevertheless...Dthedividedskyi wouldn't assume scorpio rising.....sounds like some sort of virgo twist ScorpSagSag quote:At last, how can I deal with this power-craving, ambitious, unkind, aggressive, snobbish and cruel woman whose ASC, I presume, is Scorpio?This doesn't sound like scorp to me...maybe she's a double cap or something? Or maybe she's a taurus...there is defintely a mean streak in taurus. Then again, she could have an Aqua asc...aqua's can seem cold and aloof. Have you thought maybe she's got a Sag asc and is blunt and aggressive? HOWEVER, there is the possiblity that her asc is in aries: firey and quick with a retort. I know I'm forgetting other signs that might fit in here...let me have a think. thedividedskyi was also thinking possibly aries/virgo/capD for DefiantScorpSagSag, you said: quote:Or maybe she's a taurus...there is defintely a mean streak in taurus. quote:maybe she's a double cap or something? Asked her if the mineral water bottle which was by her side belonged to her, she replied:"I do not need to tell you."Asked her if she had read "Sun Tsu's War Tactics/Art of War", again she replied:"I do not need to tell you."When I exploded "Don't treat me like a ******* idiot!", in response she said:"It's YOU who's treating ME like an idiot."I handed a Chinese poem I wrote about my anger, asked her if she understood what one of the lines meant, she said:"How would I know? I'm not as smart as you."And the aforementioned comments from her really infuriated me.That's her.------------------May not be able to get back to you...appreciate your say nevertheless...DPeriIf there is no way you can ignore her or avoid her then you should talk to her in the same manner she talks to you. (you not other patients!)And try to talk to her as little as possible, don't ask her questions, why would you care for her opinion if she is so arrogant and rude? quote:maybe she's a taurus...there is defintely a mean streak in taurus.aww c'mon! the pot is calling the kettle black ScorpSagSagExactly!!! *evil and twisted scorpionic laughter*Takes one to know one...and I mean that in the nicest sense. D for Defiant quote:If there is no way you can ignore her or avoid her then you should talk to her in the same manner she talks to you.I disagree. This will only exacerbate matters, and create a vicious circle. The last thing I should do, is descending to as low as her level is.maybe she's a taurus...there is defintely a mean streak in taurus. quote:aww c'mon! the pot is calling the kettle black You never know.....Until you know. ------------------May not be able to get back to you...appreciate your say nevertheless...Dsue gI think Scorpsag was being a tad perverse and ironic....Clever Scorpio humour hey Scorp....sometimes it is misunderstood by "other" signs....? wilsontcD,You said: quote:Without her exact birth details, perhaps you'll tell me there's no point in guessing her signs and thinking of how to deal with her based on astrology.I think that sums it all up pretty well! And also I agree with what Peri said...this woman sounds like a "button pusher"...she uses her knowledge of psychology to make people uncomfortable and boost her power. The only thing to do with a "button pusher" is to completely ignore them...it drives them crazy (so to speak!)! Late to the party,TimScorpSagSag Sue G...couldn't help myself! Anyway, I promise to be good...no more sardonic humor from me...promise...sue gScorpsag....You already are good, very good indeed....to my mind... * * * * * *Tim"late to the party" ha hahow cool is that !!! alanabelle86ooo I'm interested in her, I wanna meet her. She seems like a really exciting science project, or just a nutcase. Maybe her Sun is in the late degrees of Psycho, and her ascendant is 0 degrees dumba$$ ..Sorry to make such a fashionably late entrance, but yeah. She's clearly got power/insecurity issues deep down, and needs a wakeup call. People like that don't deserve to have opinions. So I would just disregard her...or dissect her ------------------Libra Rising, Scorpio Sun, Leo MoonLeopricorn Lol, yeah she seems pretty interesting. Just reading your posts about her makes me feel all flustered. Fill us in on your progess from time to time. I wanna see if she has a weak point.How about the next time she's pulling one of her smart remarks, make no reaction as if it doesn't affect you at all - I'm sure that would tick her off. Or maybe react in a unconventional manner. I don't know, be creative, your Aquarian energies will come in handy. D for DefiantTim, you said: quote:this woman sounds like a "button pusher"...she uses her knowledge of psychology to make people uncomfortable and boost her power. The only thing to do with a "button pusher" is to completely ignore them...it drives them crazy (so to speak!)!You were right, Tim. However, under the given circumstances, driving her mad by ignoring her will precipitate her future vengeful acts- she will never forgive anyone who shows signs of not needing her, or who ignores her unconscious need to be paid attention, to be needed, to be dependent upon, to be looked up to.Alanabelle86, you said: quote:ooo I'm interested in her, I wanna meet her. She seems like a really exciting science project, or just a nutcase. quote:She's clearly got power/insecurity issues deep down, and needs a wakeup call. People like that don't deserve to have opinions. So I would just disregard her...or dissect her It may not be all that easy to dissect her. ------------------May not be able to get back to you...appreciate your say nevertheless...DD for DefiantShe just makes such an impression on strangers as cold, stern, tough, and the "Don't bother me, don't mess with me" attitude. As for her way of verbalization, it doesn't feel like the Sag unintentional blunt speech, but instead, she always says those bad things deliberately; she knows exactly what she's about to say and what the consequences would be, she's in control- her own way of "control", so to speak. Unlike her colleagues, some would voluntarily admit that they were not competent enough to deal with the situation at hand, some others would simply apologize for their mistakes...while this woman, whether it was errors or other matters- she never once apologized and never admitted her limits etc.As for her weak points- I recall once in a conversation, I casually brought up the topic about sleep deprivation she and her co-workers suffered, the high suicide rates of her counterparts, herself included, and the suicide about a famous specialist in her field in the country I reside in, which took place nearly a year ago- at that point, she suddenly looked "wary" or unpleasant, and seemed trying to avoid talking about death, suicide, suicide rates of the specialists in her profession...it seemed to me that this woman was afraid of the notion of death.I expressed my concerns over other professionals, but never about her. This did "drive her mad", but she always denied that. I discussed my concern over her, me, and the other person who was a colleague of hers, and she would firmly reply: "We all have undergone professional training, so you do not have to worry about anything." Yeah right. What she said was purely arrogant.She likes to provoke others, patronizing them...and cannot stand the idea and the feeling of not being paid attention to...------------------May not be able to get back to you...appreciate your say nevertheless...D
Even in the face of death threat from a client, she wouldn't move a fraction of an inch. While another lady colleague would have been very, very frightened.
Now here comes the "ridiculous" element- I'm trying to guess her ASC by observing her appearance and her initial, general impression on people who are not particularly familiar with her.
Her first impression on others- always tough, hard to approach, suspicion and some kind of hostility in her eyes, calm, poised, serious, stern...even tougher than her male colleagues and her male supervisors!
Her physique and appearance- she's not what most people would call a "beautiful woman"...her consistent dressing style, however, makes her stand out as unique when compared to her female counterparts. She always wears suits- blouse and skirts. Almost never pants. No dresses either, unlike most of her female colleagues. Moderate heels (lately she has switched to sandals and flat-based shoes for some reason)- almost never trainers, and definitely never boots. So the above description makes her look more "feminine", along with her undyed, long straight hair.
Round and wide face. The look of her eyes makes you have to take her seriously- which means no one is allowed to not take her seriously. Her waistline was not thin. She used to be medium-sized, just not slender/slim or trim, that's all. Her height is about 1.55m, I guess.
But I just saw her yesterday; I saw her fat, fat, fat body- loads of excessive weight on her belly, her waist, her hips and her thighs. It didn't look that she was knocked up.
And she was still her conceited, aggressive self. No other fellow professional is like her, regarding lack of kindness, lack of patience, driven by ambitions, crave for power, sense of authority, and sternness plus aggression. While counterattack is firmly discouraged, she uses counterattack very often, and goes to the extent of being as inhumane as attempting to cause 0% reaction from the given client and 0% reaction from herself!
Anyway, supposedly she has Scorpio ASC, I'd like to know:
What are the main characteristics of Scorpio ASC? So I can find out about the person's weaknesses.
Okay- what might be the weaknesses of a woman with a Scorpio ascendant? What might be her fears considering her Scorpio ASC?
At last, how can I deal with this power-craving, ambitious, unkind, aggressive, snobbish and cruel woman whose ASC, I presume, is Scorpio?
Anybody please help?
------------------May not be able to get back to you...appreciate your say nevertheless...D
quote:how can I deal with this power-craving, ambitious, unkind, aggressive, snobbish and cruel woman?
You could not change or soften her so I guess the best solution is not to deal with her at all. Is it possible?
Maybe?
Rather than intellectualise things (your Aquarius placements) think of her as a human being struggling like the rest of us....she may be hurting or covering up pain with her fierceness?
Or alternatively as Peri suggests, dont deal with her. I believe some people just arent meant to get along.
I liked the way you admitted to REALLY needing help....a pity more cant!!! Tis a sign of humillity, as is apologising I also like the way you ask for help/advice. Some people only seem to give it and never ask back....its a good thing to ask, it shows we are willing to grow!
Good luck!
quote:she may be hurting or covering up pain with her fierceness?
Exactly.
"Didn't I tell you in the class that NEVER let people who do not work here come in? We have taught you about this at class before. Didn't I tell you..."
And she was firing her questions at this friendly, seemingly harmless, and congitive functions-challenging old man like it was an official interrogation. She coldly, and just coldly, asked this old man all those questions. Had it been one of her co-workers, it would very likely to turn out a whole lot different- most likely, they would comfort him and kindly instruct him to follow the rules in the simplest terms possible, because most of the people these specialists take care of suffer from cognitive deficits. The way she asked that old man, who looked not so aware of what he had done/was doing/should do and also looked so helpless to me- was very, very cruel. She should have comforted him, not doing what she did to him.
Also, about her being overweight and her figure- as far as I can remember, she used to be quite a bit thinner than she is now. I don't know why she has become so overweight- no offense for those who suffer from weight problems- but seeing her sitting with a desk covering her body, I didn't notice that she had put on so much weight. Seeing her standing in front of me made a difference, and she looked horrible.
If I simply cannot avoid her, what should I do? Please...any advice would be appreciated- at least I know now that I should do my best to avoid her!
quote:At last, how can I deal with this power-craving, ambitious, unkind, aggressive, snobbish and cruel woman whose ASC, I presume, is Scorpio?
This doesn't sound like scorp to me...maybe she's a double cap or something? Or maybe she's a taurus...there is defintely a mean streak in taurus. Then again, she could have an Aqua asc...aqua's can seem cold and aloof. Have you thought maybe she's got a Sag asc and is blunt and aggressive? HOWEVER, there is the possiblity that her asc is in aries: firey and quick with a retort. I know I'm forgetting other signs that might fit in here...let me have a think.
quote:Or maybe she's a taurus...there is defintely a mean streak in taurus.
quote:maybe she's a double cap or something?
Asked her if the mineral water bottle which was by her side belonged to her, she replied:
"I do not need to tell you."
Asked her if she had read "Sun Tsu's War Tactics/Art of War", again she replied:
When I exploded "Don't treat me like a ******* idiot!", in response she said:
"It's YOU who's treating ME like an idiot."
I handed a Chinese poem I wrote about my anger, asked her if she understood what one of the lines meant, she said:
"How would I know? I'm not as smart as you."
And the aforementioned comments from her really infuriated me.
That's her.
quote:maybe she's a taurus...there is defintely a mean streak in taurus.
aww c'mon! the pot is calling the kettle black
Takes one to know one...and I mean that in the nicest sense.
quote:If there is no way you can ignore her or avoid her then you should talk to her in the same manner she talks to you.
I disagree. This will only exacerbate matters, and create a vicious circle. The last thing I should do, is descending to as low as her level is.
maybe she's a taurus...there is defintely a mean streak in taurus.
quote:aww c'mon! the pot is calling the kettle black
You never know.
....Until you know.
Clever Scorpio humour hey Scorp....sometimes it is misunderstood by "other" signs....?
You said:
quote:Without her exact birth details, perhaps you'll tell me there's no point in guessing her signs and thinking of how to deal with her based on astrology.
I think that sums it all up pretty well! And also I agree with what Peri said...this woman sounds like a "button pusher"...she uses her knowledge of psychology to make people uncomfortable and boost her power. The only thing to do with a "button pusher" is to completely ignore them...it drives them crazy (so to speak!)!
Late to the party,
Tim
You already are good, very good indeed....to my mind...
* * * * * *
"late to the party" ha ha
how cool is that !!!
Sorry to make such a fashionably late entrance, but yeah. She's clearly got power/insecurity issues deep down, and needs a wakeup call. People like that don't deserve to have opinions. So I would just disregard her...
or dissect her
------------------Libra Rising, Scorpio Sun, Leo Moon
How about the next time she's pulling one of her smart remarks, make no reaction as if it doesn't affect you at all - I'm sure that would tick her off. Or maybe react in a unconventional manner. I don't know, be creative, your Aquarian energies will come in handy.
quote:this woman sounds like a "button pusher"...she uses her knowledge of psychology to make people uncomfortable and boost her power. The only thing to do with a "button pusher" is to completely ignore them...it drives them crazy (so to speak!)!
You were right, Tim. However, under the given circumstances, driving her mad by ignoring her will precipitate her future vengeful acts- she will never forgive anyone who shows signs of not needing her, or who ignores her unconscious need to be paid attention, to be needed, to be dependent upon, to be looked up to.
Alanabelle86, you said:
quote:ooo I'm interested in her, I wanna meet her. She seems like a really exciting science project, or just a nutcase.
quote:She's clearly got power/insecurity issues deep down, and needs a wakeup call. People like that don't deserve to have opinions. So I would just disregard her...or dissect her
It may not be all that easy to dissect her.
As for her weak points- I recall once in a conversation, I casually brought up the topic about sleep deprivation she and her co-workers suffered, the high suicide rates of her counterparts, herself included, and the suicide about a famous specialist in her field in the country I reside in, which took place nearly a year ago- at that point, she suddenly looked "wary" or unpleasant, and seemed trying to avoid talking about death, suicide, suicide rates of the specialists in her profession...it seemed to me that this woman was afraid of the notion of death.
I expressed my concerns over other professionals, but never about her. This did "drive her mad", but she always denied that. I discussed my concern over her, me, and the other person who was a colleague of hers, and she would firmly reply: "We all have undergone professional training, so you do not have to worry about anything." Yeah right. What she said was purely arrogant.
She likes to provoke others, patronizing them...and cannot stand the idea and the feeling of not being paid attention to...
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